Why Don't F1 Cars Have Closed Cockpits?
Formula 1 cars have changed many times over the years... but why has a closed cockpit never been introduced?
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Grojean would have died in a closed cockpit.
so that the driver can get out easily incase of an emergeny situation occuring...what if the closing mechanism gets stuck? .....btw not looked at video at all....it's a no brainer
Surely the indycar solution isn't as safe as it would be harder to get out of the car or retrieve a driver if there was an accident
I think next step will be, drivers sitting in the nice air-conditioned room, and remotely drive their cars.
A f1 car without a halo looks naked and unsafe to me nowadays. See what the future holds that make todays f1 car looks unsafe and naked.
Well, you still didn't answer the question. Why?
Money that's why be too expensive
If F1 did the full canopy or a version of the windscreen it would reduce the number of ways a driver could get out of the cockpit. I remember when Grosjean was talking about his accident, he tried getting out thru multiple holes in the halo. If he didn't have those options, his story could have ended differently. I hope F1 takes that into account.
I’m still surprised that F1 drivers aren’t clothed in bubble wrap! People forget that, when it was exciting, motorsport was a professional blood sport. The only motor racing left (worthy of kudos) is still endurance I.e. Le Mans
A full shielded cockpit makes sense. From the spectator's POV it doesn't really matter. When I first started watching F1 you could see the driver, then only the head, then just the top of the head and now not much. Safety over style.
They dont need te make it "to" safe
weight
Thats my questions when I was 8
Really simple answer: because the open cockpit is what really defines an f1 car. Any person can recognize an f1 car simply by the open cockpit, its something thats been there since the sport was created.
Today F1 is a joke. Before 2000's Formula 1 was actually the best sport series in the world.
One of my Aunt's best friend was Justin Wilson, although I was never able to visit his house to ever meet him, my parents did and Justin gave me a hat, a shirt, and a signed copy of his model car. may he rest in peace
think closed cockpits and the screens and halo will make it harder for drivers to get out in a hurry. IE if the car catches fire they need to get out fast. FIA has bought in a lot of new safety features over the years to protect drivers that actualy put drivers more at risk. so ended up banning them again. They banned pitstops cause pit crew were getting injured or killed by the cars drivers not wanting to wait for the all clear to pull out. That lasted a couple of seasons before they allowed pitstops again. Refueling was used rarely when it was legal. It was dangerous and took too long so most teams didnt bother to refuel they put enough fuel in the car to last the race. FIA decided to force teams to refuel by restricting the size of fuel tanks so no cars could finish the race unless they refueled. Then cause of fires refueling got banned again. FIA has a bad rep on safety features that cause more harm than good.
take the indy/red bull windshield and put slots in it. DONE! (structural integrity will be preserved via allmighty honeycomb design)
because it will make the car slower snd it takes to much weight
Seriously?!?! Too hot?! F1 you guys may be super rich, but dang you guys are super stupid... Just copy IndyCar.
Please... NO Closed Cockpits in F1. Integrated Halo does the trick. Partial Canopy/halo or Windscreen/halo at most but let drivers take naked saunas at a spa. INDYCAR will never be the same.
The halo looks like a flip flop
Why don't pilots just drive the cars remotely? There is no need to expose the pilot today. It can be done with RC-a simple safety measure.
As long as nobody dies
F1 is all about technology and innovation ... they just have not thought of a windshield yet :-)
15 minutes to recover a driver. That sounds safe for sure
Maybe I am the only one, but I like the desing of the halo. I think the shape of the actual F1 cars works pretty well with the halo desing.
Halo design doesn't protect small debris that flies at high speed
those driver deserve full protection, they could've died in a second when hit by debris
BECAUSE THE DRIVER NEEDS AIR FOR COOLING. I just saved your time. You're welcome.
maybe a grid..a titanium grid with holes leaving air passing through and much possibly visibility
FYI, Indy Car didn’t invent the helmet hose cooling system. NASCAR has been using it for years so credit where credit is due.
I think with a closed cockpit design Grosjean probably wouldn't be alive today - he had to pull himself out of the car, and after that crash the closed cockpit would've obstructed him.
It would be more aero.
F1 cars keep getting uglier, faster, less agile, less interesting, and safer. Nothing for a fan to see anymore.
Well this didn't age well
Closed cockpit WILL happen, it’s just a matter of when.
Grosjean wouldn't have been able to get out if his car had a wrap around wind screen like Indy
Aerospace has the frozen chicken test for engines and canopies. Where they are shot out of a cannon. It’s not surprising that the aerospace canopy passed.
Safety issue and temperature for driver.
Why stop at the jet fighter roof? I say go full ejection seat... computer triggered based on sensors.
Ok as soon as people use emojis in their videos, the cringe makes me hate it.
What I don't understand is, since the idea really started because of a small debris (the spring), why did they take a design that can't stop small debris??? The Halo + canopy design is the best as it protect from both big and small objects, but the Halo alone is a disaster waiting to happen, literally the exposed pilot area is much bigger than the front area of the halo!
Question thou...what would've happened to Grosjean? Would he not be able to escape or will the fire not be able to enter?
We need safety for the sport it’s just stupid without the halo
„can withstand 15 tons of force“
This video is from feb 2021 but does not mention grosjean's accident? How would that have been impacted? How likely would he have made it out with the added problem of a windshield in the way? Would it have helped maybe?
Didn't even watch the video but with common sense I would think safety, if the car was ever stuck and on fire. The glass would not be removable and he wouldn't be able to escape. Just look at the recent grosjean incident, if it was a closed cockpit he might be a lot more burned and fucked up. Also I'm sure maybe with technology it wouldn't be much of an issue but at speeds like that and vibration I can see the glass being an issue with vision. The glass won't stay clean always and with the sun and everything I would think it would cause visual problems. On top of that I doubt they would install A/C in those things and with a closed cockpit in the sun, some of the locations would scorch the drivers. Maybe everything I said can be fixed or isn't an issue but with no engineering knowledge and just common sense, it seems like it's not the best idea.
One massive con with a closed cockpit would be F1 drivers unable to quickly release themselves from their seats when in a crash causing a fire in the car which could set the engine alight possibly blowing up the F1 car while the driver attempting to open up the cockpit.
Because it’s disgusting
I still think it looks stupid, why does there have to be a post in the middle? Why not 2 on either side?
Need touchscreen with Spotify installed.
1:22 clean etnies lo cuts those are rare to see!
just put the damn halo in front of the screen and call it a fooking day
So basically before 2 deaths it was all about looks over safety
4:19 it looks so cool
Tbh I think the halo is and looks great. It gives the car a more flowing look and it helps the safety massively. The cars would just look weird without them now I think
Star Trek has been using force-fields for their brigs for decades. If Gene Roddenberry used them in the 1960s, then what is the problem using them now?
Not criticizing, but they're looking more and more like cars from Speed Racer
The indy car thing seems so claustrophobic like it would be hard to get out of. High windscreen all around plus a tube attached to the helmet
Also look how dirty the cars got in turkey 2020 it would be a nightmare to see out the cockpit and multiple stops would be made to clean the aero screen
Air-conditioning isn't an option?
If Roman Grosjean had been under a canopy, he’d have been trapped inside.
I honestly do not like the subtitles interweaved into the video and the sudden larger fonts. Sucks to watch
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Air con n a cup holder...
Why not having two support structures at the sides to have a clean vision instead of one exactly at the middle?
Imagine when groesjan had a crash if it was closed cockpit, would he survive?
No one knows
If this would be the Design, grosjean would probably be dead
Closed cockpit with an emergency seat 😂
tbh indy car design look sick
I hated the Halo at first. But now I would prefer that over a windscreen. Plus it actually looks good
Just leave it open
Like how it is today or do you mean no halo?
Yeah a closed cockpit with an AC sounds a good idea
so this car doesn’t have a roof. but what about the ford f-150
Do the marshals practice at getting a driver dead weight out of a car. When a car is on fire like Nicki Lauda how difficult if not impossible is it going to be.
there is also the Le Mans Prototype cockpit car option
Well, let's make it fully covered with titanium armor and use a camera connected to monitors in the helmet. Like VR lol.
Imagine a closed cockpit in Grosjeans crash.
gloob
The canopy would have saved Ayrton Senna’s life in 1994. He was killed by debris that entered his helmet visor.
Not sure about fully enclosed after watching grosjean climb out of a fireball. Halo seems to work
Some Top Fuel dragsters run with a closed canopy.
@John Farrelly why would he do that?
Change you name to "DumbMan"
When you crash with your halo 😇
Not sure how I'm feeling about a closed cockpit, however, it would look cool. If F1 could return to V8s and V10s that would be the best!!!
Aero screens are very ugly.. but the fighter jet canopy it´s beautiful and much more useful than other solution.. they just got to solve the cooling part.
Copy Indy car for the cooling part
I would say the Halo is the better option in terms of structural integrity. A screen with out suitable support around the rim will easily collapse at high impact.
Anybody else know about the Thomas price crash? Well this design if it was made at the time would’ve made that much worse
One day they’re gonna have a driver hit by a spring through the Halo, and then they’ll stick on a screen.
Like how Felipe massa was hit by a spring and fractured his skull? I still don’t see an aero screen
Ejector seats would good be ok in event of crash too..
What would say Fangio about this? :)
Only issue with the halo I have is that it runs directly in the line of sight. Understand it protects from full front impacts, but at The cost of reduced visibility that creates another safety issue. For all the NASCAR fans, there is a huge difference between a stock car mostly flat, standard car windshield and a fighter jet style bubble canopy. Visibility is a little different as is heat magnification. Also, no driver side window on a stock car.
I hope you know that f1 drivers don’t see the halo when driving, bottas said "I've done a race simulation already with the halo, and I have to say during the race I never noticed it anymore,"
Hoping an improvemed halo with screen comes along
For yeas and yeas
Awesome demonstration 👍
I have no idea what any of this means but it's great background noise
its an access thing, drivers need to be pulled out of a car if incapacitated after a crash, particularly if the car is ablaze, if the release mechanism fails and they cant be removed by a rescue team because of a screen then theyre dead. Fighter jets dont have the same problem for obvious reasons.
"Cooling" -laughs in Nascar-
I used to hate the halo and screen. After seeing though wrecks and becoming a father. All for them now
I love the halo . But when I imagine myself while driving it or playing the games the middle bar is kinda annoying but as an audience the halo looks sick